If anything illustrates the generation in which we now live it would be a bowl of Jell-O; sweet, but with no real substance. Apprising Ministries has been warning you of growing syncretism and sinful ecumenicism, e.g. Southern Baptists Assist The Roman Catholic Church To Infiltrate Evangelicalism.
One of those is über-popular SBC Bible teacher (now elder1) Beth Moore. In his Beth Moore Discernment: Angry Baptists Jordan Hall, pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Sidney, Montana brings out the following concerning the cult-like following of Beth Moore:
More hate mail arrives on almost a daily basis. I critiqued Beth Moore on several different counts and encouraged Christians to use discernment (how dare I!) concerning her ministry.
Sadly, most of the anger is coming from Southern Baptists, which makes me have to agree whole-heartily with Bill Aschol [Tom Ascol] who said, “We can no longer assume that just because a church is Southern Baptist it therefore genuinely understands the gospel and knows how it works to save sinners.” If Beth Moore’s preaching can be confused as Gospel-centered among Southern Baptist pastors, we have a huge problem in the SBC. (source)
Hall is dead-on-target; the SBC is experiencing a growing apostasy. He’s also right about many Moore-ites and their almost blind obedience to whatever whims she claims God has Personally shown her via direct revelation. One of these “visions” is the subject of this piece stemming from my interaction with Beth Moore yesterday.
She decided to promote her Believing God series in this tweet:
Since she had brought up the subject, ala 2 Timothy 4:2 I asked her a very legitimate question:
Here is her answer, which struck me not only as self-serving but off topic as well:
As someone who’s long dealt with the neo-liberal cult of the Emergent Church aka the Emerging Church with its postmodern Progressive Christian theology—a Liberalism 2.0—that they often refer to as “big tent” Emergence Christianity I can tell you Moore’s answer is identical to what former EC rock star Rob Bell would have said.
I said nothing at all about any individual Roman Catholics; i.e. I wasn’t judging anyone’s salvation, so that’s actually irrelevant. I also didn’t make any comment about serving anyone; so either Moore’s critical reasoning skills really need to be sharpened up, or perhaps she’s intentionally engaging in obfuscation here.
As far as, “We are blatant about how to be saved, Sir,” I have no idea what that sentence even means. I don’t think it can refer to her Gospel presentation because the very few times I’ve ever seen her give one it’s been the typical evangelical synergistic “decision” evangelism. That’s hardly what we could call blatant.
In any event, I then tried to focus Beth Moore back on the issue at hand so I responded:
Unfortunately, rather than actually interact with my questions and answer for her demonic vision counter to the Lord’s Reformation, Beth Moore decided to simply block me:
At this point, one of Moore’s followers apparently found it necessary to inject herself into this conversation between Moore and myself:
Again, the Emerging Church apostates have been singing this tune for years now; however, again we’re not talking about individual people. We’re talking about the Roman Catholic Church itself; an institution that has anathematized the Gospel. You’ll see in Has The Roman Catholic Church Really Changed, the answer is: No.
The RCC is not a Christian denomination, it is a counterfeit form of Christianity, and Satan’s best front for the Kingdom of God. So, I explained to Clement:
Notice in it’s proper perspective we are dealing with the Protestant Reformation, and even more specifically, the very Gospel of Jesus Christ itself. It’s not about whether I like Beth Moore or not, it’s about the very message the Church is here to proclaim. If the RCC is to be considered Christian, then the Reformation was a horrible mistake.
We also get an indication of the cult of celebrity which has grown up around Beth Moore as another of her followers chimed in:
Keep in mind here that I am an SBC pastor (for now) and I have every right to question Beth Moore when she’s promulgating false doctrine and attributing it to God. Finally, one other wanted to interject the following insight into this discussion; Steven Smith is Gathering Pastor for Houston’s First Baptist Church (SBC).2
Pastor Smith snickers:
Leaving aside this ad hominem by an SBC pastor, if you were to have followed the ensuing conversations I had with a few Moore-ites you’d have seen that they were all pro-Roman Catholic Church. This tweet supporting Moore illustrates how poorly catechized the supporters of this supposed great Bible teacher truly are:
Seriously; are we to believe somehow Beth Moore is beyond reproach and God’s inspired Apostle Paul, who wrote half the New Testament, was not — Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so (Acts 17:11).
Notice God called these people noble who were diligent to make sure what was being taught to them in the Name of the Lord truly was of God. When someone tells you they’ve received a direct revelation from God that runs counter to Scripture and flies in the face of His Reformation we must judge it, even if it’s SBC darling Beth Moore.
As I close this, for now, I’ll show you that Moore exhibits terrible discernment. Shame on the SBC that they actually host this online themselves; and what is more, the SBC—the largest Protestant denomination in the United States—even charges money for people to be taught the following demonic deception from Beth Moore.
Being that this LifeWay-sponsored BG Online Bible Study is from 10 years ago, we are safe to assume that what you’re about to hear from Beth Moore is in line with the SBC’s nebulous principles which is about as close as you get to actual SBC doctrine. Its Idol of Autonomy is a convenient escape hatch from confronting false doctrine.
First, watch as Beth Moore tells us God gave her a literal vision where she claims He allowed her to see “the Church, as Jesus see it”:
Let me now walk you through what she just said:
Transcription: “… to beg to differ with people that are ten times smarter than I am. But I want to say to you I see something different than that. I see God doing something huge in the body of Christ. I do not know why I have had the privilege to get to travel around, see one church after another…one group of believers after another, interdenominationally, all over this country, but I have gotten to see something that I think is huge.
And I’ll also suggest to you I am not the only one. And tonight I’m going to do my absolute best to illustrate to you something that God showed me out on that back porch. He put a picture…I’ve explained to you before I am a very visual person…so He speaks to me very often putting a picture in my head.
And it was as if I was raised up looking down on a community, as I saw the Church in that particular dimension- certainly not all dimensions, not even in many, but in what we will discuss tonight, the church, as Jesus sees it, in a particular dimension.” (source, emphasis mine)
That’s Moore’s testimony; those are her own words. If one is unbiased, the following should now be crystal clear: 1) Beth Moore is talking about the universal Church, i.e. the Body of Christ; 2) she’s also claiming extra-biblical revelation via a literal vision that she testifies God showed her, and 3) it supposedly enabled her to see the Church “as Jesus sees it.” There’s simply no way around this, period.
It’s very important that you keep all of this in mind now as you watch the next video clip, which is taken from a section after God Himself allegedly gave Beth Moore a literal vision that afforded her the ability in a “particular dimension” to see the Body of Christ “as Jesus sees it.” Now watch as Moore illustrates the vision concerning “something different” she sees “God doing” in the Church, i.e. “the body of Christ.”
You’ll clearly see she that does include the apostate Roman Catholic Church, which long ago anathematized the Gospel of Jesus Christ, among her Christian denominations:
What I’ve done in this particular class that makes this group so special, and I’m loving this about you who are online, we are a very interdenominational group. And so I’ve literally gotten to position people from these denominations and from these backgrounds into these groups. So that just thrills me.
So this part we’re not playing. However I’ve just made up the name from familiar names of churches I’ve seen through the years. Right over here to my right you see First United Methodist Church of Lessthanland. Right behind them you would find just down the street, just across the street really, you’ve got Christ the Redeemer Lutheran Church.
Every single one of my sisters in this area attends a Lutheran church which thrills me. These all attend a Methodist church. I can’t tell you how I love that kind of diversity. What I’ve asked these ladies to do right here, now this makes it a little bit different, because they do go to different churches. But what I’ve asked them to represent to us tonight to us is an African-American church that we’re going to call Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Church.
Is that good? Did I do good? Yes! Hallelujah, Hallelujah! Right back here I want you to meet St. Anne’s [Roman] Catholic Church of Lessthanland. These ladies come, every single one of them, although they don’t go to one [Roman] Catholic church, every single one of them attend a [Roman] Catholic church probably right here in Houston. And I am so thrilled that they are here.
What I’ve asked my sisters to do here, actually they represent many different churches but they represent one church in our midst tonight. These are our sisters that attend different Charismatic churches in our city but tonight they attend Abundant Life Church. Is that good?
No, it isn’t; and the fact is The Roman Catholic Church Hasn’t Changed Its Condemnation Of The Gospel. Remember, it is written:
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:6-9)
The Roman Catholic Church long ago condemned the Gospel of Jesus Christ; this was at the very heart of the Protestant Reformation. Beth Moore needs to be brought to account for this demonic vision and to repent of her sinful ecumenical teaching. And shame on the SBC for not only promoting it, but even charging people for it!3