Apprising Ministries continues covering a growing syncretism within apostatizing evangelicalism as it wanders further away from belief in the all-sufficiency of God’s Word and succumbs to silly superstitions derived from tis embrace of charismania and Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism.
While I told you that James MacDonald Was A Bit Late In Mainstreaming T.D. Jakes, even so, co-hosts James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll of their ecumenical Elephant Room 2 (ER2) would chose to use ER2 as a vehicle to place their blessing upon Word Faith mogul T.D. Jakes.
At ER2 MacDonald and Driscoll allowed Jakes to affirm both trinitarianism and modalism simultaneously and never did address Jakes’ Word Faith heresies. One of the basic principles of both ER1 and 2 was supposedly the adherents would demonstrate to us how to properly dialogue about differences.
However, the fruit of these conferences has been an emerging self-appointed Evangelical Ecumenical Magisterium (EEM) comprised of most of the multi-site megachurch pastors who participated in ER. EEM’s James MacDonald would later imply that he’s continued private dialogues with T.D. Jakes.
MacDonald gave the impression that Jakes was now supposedly moving away from the Word Faith prosperity gospel at the core of his corrupt ministry. I recently discussed this further in T.D. Jakes Repents Of Word Faith Heresy And Mythology? You’re about to see further evidence that he has not.
The following is a clip from “Throw It Back,” which was Jakes’ New Year’s Eve 2013 message to his Potter’s House. Same ‘ol T.D. Jakes heading into 2014:
Then, as you can see from the graphic above, Jakes’ Branching Out (BO) conference, which begins tomorrow, proudly features Word Faith preacher Brian Houston of Hillsong Church, BO will also be giving us the notorious WF “Apostle” Frederick K.C. Price; and they don’t come anymore committed to WF heresies than Price.
Yet in spite of this T.D. Jakes’ Conference Will Feature A Saddleback Church Leader, which you are likely aware is the church headed by EEM member Rick Warren. In closing this, for now, let me remind you that Price:
received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in 1970 and soon began to develop a “faith” ministry. In 1973 Price founded an independent church in Los Angeles called Crenshaw Christian Center. Price was ordained by Kenneth Hagin Ministries in 1975.
In 1981 the congregation moved to 32 acres that formerly housed Pepperdine University. In 1989 he completed a new worship center called the Faithdome at a cost of over $10 million. The multiracial congregation now exceeds 15,000…
Price began a nationally broadcast television ministry in 1978 called Ever Increasing Faith, which is featured on more than 125 million stations in the U.S. and abroad. In 1982 he began teaching his faith message in crusades and conferences all across the U.S.
Price is the author of more than 30 books relating to the Holy Spirit and faith,…1
Christian apologist Mike Oppenheimer now shares a few of the Word Faith heresies propounded by Frederick K.C. Price. He begins with the critical information that Price is a disciple of Kenneth “Dad” Hagin, widely considered in WF circles as the very father of their movement:
Price claims that it was Hagin who had the greatest influence on his life. Frederick K.C. Price says: “Kenneth Hagin has had the greatest influence upon my life of any living man … his books … revolutionized and changed my life.”( Taped interviews on file at the Holy Spirit Research Center, Oral Roberts University cited in D. R. McConnell, The Kenyon Connection: A Theological and Historical Analysis of the Cultic Origins of the Faith Movement, a thesis submitted to the Theological Faculty, Oral Roberts University, Tulsa, OK, May 1982, p. 11).
This developed him into being the chief exponent of naming it and claiming it. Say it and frame it, speak it and keep it. Price who has become famous for his anti biblical stance of If you have to say, “if it be thy will or thy will be done- if you have to say that, then your calling God a fool.” He explains “What they told me to do was that whenever I prayed I should always say, ‘The will of the Lord be done.,’ Now, doesn’t that sound humble? It does. Sounds like humility, it’s really stupidity. I mean, you know, really, we insult God. I mean, we really do insult our Heavenly Father. We do; we really insult Him without even realizing it. If you have to say, ‘If it be thy will or’ Thy will be done’-if you have to say that, then you’re calling God a fool because he’s the One that told us to ask…. (“Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN Nov.16,1990).
Despite all his rhetoric it’s not God who is the fool but those who say there is no prayer to say God’s will be done. If it isn’t his will its yours, and you might as well say God move over I’m your replacement. Hardly a comforting thought (see Jms.4:15, Mt.6:19, 1Jn. 514)
“If them animals belonged to, if those animals belonged ‘ to God, how come God didn’t give them their names?
Why did he leave it up to a puny man to give them the names to the animal kingdom, the plant kingdom, and the vegetable kingdom? Because they belonged under the control of Adam and not of God Why? He had dominion. Not God, Adam.” (Ever Increasing Faith program may 3, 1992) if this were true then how did God curse creation after the fall? How did man fall if we were in control of these kingdoms?
“Adam, as I said, gave it [the earth] away to the serpent, to the Devil. As a result of it he got his behind kicked out of the garden. He went out of Eden, out of the garden. He began to wander around, and he has troubles from day one. Now God was out of the business. God was out of the earth realm. God had no more stock in this earth realm. No more. None at all. Nothing He could do. Not a thing in the world He could do. The only way God could get back into this earth realm, He had to have an invitation. Ha-hah! He had to have an invitation.” (“Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN [1 May 1992], audiotape #PR11.)
I think the words Price uses are dead giveaways to his understanding “God was out of the business” he had to be invited. But there is a heresy that is deeper than the obvious slip ups. The bible says nothing is impossible with God, but Price says it was not possible for God to control what he once did without man. Price has it backwards. Do we see this happening in the Scripture, absolutely not.
“God the father cannot do anything in this earth realm without permission. Now again I realize that that statement is very as I say from an evangelical point of view (meaning the evangelical doctrines)… that this statement that I’m making that God can’t do is like going out and committing adultery to them, it sin, simple to say that.” Price thinks God needs mans permission to do things on earth.
“Now this is a shocker! But God has to be given permission to work in this earth realm on behalf of man….Yes! You are in control! So if man has control, who no longer has it? God…..When God gave Adam dominion, that meant God no longer had dominion. So God cannot do anything in this earth unless we let Him. And the way we let Him or give Him permission is through prayer.” (Frederick Price Quoted from – “Christianity in Crisis” by H. Hanegraaff, 1993)
Price does know his explanation is more than unusual yet he is satisfied with his own exposition for this.What kind of Bible teaching is this, God is not in control, man is. Who then is God to Fred Price?
“Yes! You are in control! So, if man has control, who no longer has it? God” (Fred Price, “Prayer: Do You Know What Prayer Is…and How to Pray?” (The Word Study Bible, 1990 p. 1178).
We are in control and God is not! So why pray to him, we might as well pray to ourselves. That’s exactly how it is put when he states don’t pray for God’s will. He explains “The way God has designed the system, we control. It’s up to us. “You see, I gave it to you before..” Matthew 18:18, “Whatever you bind on earth…bound in heaven; whatever you loose…it loosed in heaven.”
For every scripture Price seems to find to support his by faith its mine doctrine there are numerous more that clearly bring light to his erroneous conclusion. Isa.29:l6: “Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, ‘He did not make me’? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, ‘He has no understanding?”
Fred Price affirms, “Jesus said, All authority… All of it.” How much is left out of the term all? Nothing. It’s an inclusive term. It leaves nothing out. He said, All authority in the heaven and in the earth is in My hands. It has been given to Me and what do you think the purpose of Almighty God giving Him the authority in the earth was for and He’s not here to use it? It’s because He gave that authority to the Church. In essence, He was saying, I’m going back to Heaven. I’ll take care of the authority in the heavenly realm but I’m leaving you here My body …and I’m giving you, by delegation, My authority in the earth realm. Go forth and conquer. The way God has designed the system, we control. It’s up to us.” (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith Lesea [on audio]).
Where does the Bible say Jesus gave us the control that he has? Scripture proof- none.
The only thing Price controls is his congregation with his twisted teaching of the word. It is bondage to believe these untruths.
Price believes the control is found in all that we say, “If you keep talking death, that is what you are going to have. If you keep talking sickness and disease, that is what you are going to have, because you are going to create the reality of them with your own mouth. That is a divine law.” (Fred Price, Realm, 29)
God and Man
Price does seem to uphold the trinity however he does have an aberrant view on our birth “All he did when he came here was get a body through Mary. And that’s all you did when you got here you were already alive before you came into your mommas womb, you were a livin spirit, you just came into your mommas womb so that you can get a physical body so that you can live here” (Dec., 2003 Lesea Broadcasting)
Price says we all existed before birth. Where? Where did Adams spirit exist before birth? This is nonsense and not a Christian teaching. Jesus did indeed exist before birth as spirit because he was God. We as humans did not exist in heaven nor a spiritual realm before our conception. (source)
Finally, here is WF prosperity preacher Frederick K.C. Price below from his Ever Increasing Faith podcast teaching the classic WF fable that Jesus was wealthy financially:
This is the kind of “leader” the EEM-approved T.D. Jakes is attempting to drag into mainstream evangelicalism.
- JAMES MACDONALD: PROSPERITY PREACHER T.D. JAKES “VIEWS ON MONEY” CLOSER TO SCRIPTURE THAN THAT OF “REFORMED WORLD”
- STEVEN FURTICK: T.D. JAKES IS MY FAVORITE PREACHER IN THE WORLD
- WF PASTRIX PAULA WHITE: AS PAUL IS TO TIMOTHY, SO T.D. JAKES IS TO ME
- Stanley M. Burgess, Eduard M. van der Maas, Editors, Ed van der Maas, Author, The New International Dictionary Of Pentecostal And Charismatic Movements [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2002],, 998. ↩