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	<title>Apprising Ministries &#187; Joel Osteen</title>
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		<title>NOW JOEL OSTEEN SAYS MORMONISM ITSELF IS CHRISTIAN</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apprising Ministries often functions spiritually as a kind of Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Target Acquisition( RSTA) unit along the Internet Front of this Truth War. I pointed out during my appearance Tonight Matters With Ken Silva Of Apprising Ministries that the Net is moving 6 months to a year ahead of the main of the Christian community. With this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/07.jpg"><img class="alignleft  wp-image-62915" title="0" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/07.jpg" alt="" width="350" height="265" /></a><a href="http://apprising.org/" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> often functions spiritually as a kind of Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Target Acquisition( RSTA) unit along the Internet Front of this Truth War.</p>
<p>I pointed out during my appearance <a title="Permanent Link to RAPTURE READY RADIO: TONIGHT MATTERS WITH KEN SILVA OF APPRISING MINISTRIES" href="http://apprising.org/2012/02/15/rapture-ready-radio-tonight-matters-with-ken-silva-of-apprising-ministries/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Tonight Matters With Ken Silva Of Apprising Ministries</a> that the Net is moving 6 months to a year ahead of the main of the Christian community.</p>
<p>With this is in mind, let me remind you again that the rather ecumenical Elephant Room 2 was like a nuclear explosion in the spirit world and its silent shockwaves have damaged more structures than we can yet see.</p>
<p>You may believe me when I tell you that ER2′s most devastating effects have yet to see their full manifestations. I offer that the mainstreaming of Word Faith mogual <a href="http://apprising.org/category/td-jakes/" target="_blank">T.D. Jakes</a> and his wannabe, attractional Prophet-Pastor <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a>, will prove to have many adverse effects within evangelicalism.</p>
<p>Sadly, it plays right into the hands of enemy forces and their next area of attack upon the wavering heart of the church visible. This attack is causing people to believe God is bringing &#8220;people of faith&#8221; together, which is leading to a sickening syncretism that&#8217;s a lot closer to your church than you may even know.</p>
<p>The aforementioned Steven Furtick is an up and coming new breed hybrid Seeker Driven motivator who marries this pragmatic attractional approach to the Christian faith with Word Faith prosperity preaching. Now consider this from the two-time ER participant <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK: T.D. JAKES IS MY FAVORITE PREACHER IN THE WORLD" href="http://apprising.org/2012/01/23/steven-furtick-t-d-jakes-is-my-favorite-preacher-in-the-world/" rel="bookmark">Steven Furtick: T.D. Jakes Is My Favorite Preacher In The World</a>.</p>
<p>Jakes is a close friend and associate of Joel Osteen, which you can see e.g. in <a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark">Megachurch Pastors Joel Osteen And T.D. Jakes Unite And Why You Should Care</a>. In other words, they&#8217;re fellow heretical Word Faith prosperity preachers. But some say, just because Steven Furtick admires Jakes it doesn&#8217;t mean that he also admires Osteen.</p>
<p>Maybe so; however, Furtick&#8217;s clearly on record personally stating that he does as I plainly documented in <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark">Steven Furtick, James MacDonald, And Joel Osteen</a>. In fact, what Furtick testified publicly is that he believes: <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK CALLS JOEL OSTEEN GREAT MAN OF GOD" href="http://apprising.org/2009/09/14/steven-furtick-calls-joel-osteen-great-man-of-god-2/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Joel Osteen Is A Great Man Of God</a>:</p>
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(<a href="http://twitter.com/stevenfurtick/status/3926953891" target="_blank">Online source)</a></p></blockquote>
<p>This truly brings Furtick’s discernment into question because I’ve already shown in <a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE" href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/02/joel-osteen-smile-when-you-lie/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Smile When You Lie</a> that <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a> is a preacher of Word Faith heresy. That’s hardly something a great man of God would do. Nor would he call practicing Mormon Mitt Romney a Christian e.g. in <a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN AND HIS MORMON BROTHER IN CHRIST" href="http://apprising.org/2012/01/18/joel-osteen-2/" rel="bookmark">Joel Osteen And His Mormon Brother In Christ</a>.</p>
<p>Here again below from his January 16th appearance this year on <em>CBS This Morning</em> you&#8217;ll see Joel Osteen, Steven Furtick&#8217;s great man of God, tell us,&#8221;What I see about Governor Romney is that he says, &#8216;I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, he&#8217;s raised from the dead and he&#8217;s my savior.&#8217; I see him as being a believer in Christ, like me.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Fast forward to today where Joel Osteen takes his heretical view even further on CNN&#8217;s &#8220;The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.&#8221; Now according to this poor excuse of a Christian pastor, not only does he say that faithful Mormon Mitt Romney is a Christian, Osteen also believes antichrist Mormonism itself is Christian as well.</p>
<p>In <a title="Permanent Link:Osteen: Romney is a Christian" href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/24/osteen-romney-is-a-christian/" rel="bookmark">Osteen: Romney is a Christian</a> by CNN reporter Ashley Lillough we read:</p>
<blockquote><p>Famed pastor Joel Osteen reiterated his position that Mitt Romney is a Christian on Tuesday, saying as long as the likely GOP presidential nominee believes that Jesus is the Son of God then he subscribes to the Christian faith.</p>
<p>&#8220;When I hear Mitt Romney say that he believes that Jesus is the Son of God–that he&#8217;s the Christ, raised from the dead, that he&#8217;s his Savior–that&#8217;s good enough for me,&#8221; Osteen said in an <a href="http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2012/04/24/tsr-osteen-romney-ron-sot.cnn.html" target="_blank">interview</a> to air on CNN&#8217;s &#8220;The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.&#8221;</p>
<p>While Osteen described the Mormon faith as &#8220;not traditional Christianity,&#8221; he said he believes Mormons fall under the Christian tent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mormonism is a little different, but I still see them as brothers in Christ,&#8221; the pastor argued. (<a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/24/osteen-romney-is-a-christian/">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>You can see and hear Joel Osteen play the nauseating toady today on national TV for yourself below:</p>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to THE “JESUS” OF MORMONISM ALA GLENN BECK" href="http://apprising.org/2012/04/23/the-jesus-of-mormonism-ala-glenn-beck/" rel="bookmark">THE “JESUS” OF MORMONISM ALA GLENN BECK</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to MORMONISM DECLARED WAR ON CHRISTIANITY" href="http://apprising.org/2012/04/20/mormonism-declared-war-on-christianity/" rel="bookmark">MORMONISM DECLARED WAR ON CHRISTIANITY</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to TWO STICKS: REFUTING THE MORMON VIEW OF EZEKIEL 37:15-17" href="http://apprising.org/2010/08/25/two-sticks-refuting-the-mormon-view-of-ezekiel-3715-17/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">TWO STICKS: REFUTING THE MORMON VIEW OF EZEKIEL 37:15-17</a></p>
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		<title>VIDEO: JOEL OSTEEN EXPOSED 2012—WORD FAITH PROSPERITY STARS</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2012/04/14/video-joel-osteen-exposed-2012-word-faith-prosperity-stars/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[NEW!! Joel Osteen expose and parody/ spoof for 2012!! Still in 2012, Joel Osteen is currently experiencing abundant fame, honor and wealth from the WORLD. Joel Osteen preaches a very WORDLY &#8220;gospel and is loved by the world; but, Joel Osteen says he believes he has been blessed by the God of Heaven, Scripture knows [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>NEW!! Joel Osteen expose and parody/ spoof for 2012!!<br />
Still in 2012, Joel Osteen is currently experiencing abundant fame, honor and wealth from the WORLD. Joel Osteen preaches a very WORDLY &#8220;gospel and is loved by the world; but, Joel Osteen says he believes he has been blessed by the God of Heaven, Scripture knows otherwise:<br />
&#8220;Because they [Joel and his disciples] received not the love of the truth that they might be saved; For this cause God sent them strong delusion that they should believe a lie,<br />
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.&#8221; (2 Thess. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_1yc_vUMC8#">2:10</a>-12)</p>
<p>Joel Osteen frequently claims he does not take a salary from the church; be careful here for Joel is no pauper, in fact Joel Osteen is reportedly worth over $40 million personally. While he may not take a salary from &#8220;LAKEWOOD Church&#8221;, he receives $MILLIONS from his work at Joel Osteen Ministries &#8220;Night of Hope&#8221; shows and his steady regurgitation of the same seeker friendly, 7 step drivel, recycled for each new book. Joel Osteen&#8217;s book &#8220;Your Best Life Now&#8221; received a $13 MILLION advance from the publisher. Yet he calims [sic] he &#8220;&#8230;.couldn&#8217;t have known how well&#8221; his book would do. PUBLISHER&#8217;S do NOT give out $13 MILLION BEFORE a book is WRITTEN UNLESS THEY KNOW THEY WILL RECOUP THERE MONEY plus a large profit!</p>
<p>Joel Osteen&#8217;s artificially sweetened &#8216;gospel&#8221; is his own heretical combination of the preaching of Billy Graham and the prosperity &#8216;gospel&#8221;, which focuses on not offending ANYONE and telling them &#8220;God has a great plan for your life&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;God has a great plan for everyone&#8217;s life&#8221;&#8230;too bad Joel Osteen wasn&#8217;t around in Hitler&#8217;s day, he sure could have used the encouragement when allied forces were closing in (sic). Joel Osteen and co-pastor Victoria Osteen are out for MONEY and to fund their lavish lifestyle. They think God has blessed them with great financial gain and therefor they think they have His &#8216;favor&#8221;&#8230;..ironically, in scripture it was Satan that offered the great riches as a temptation&#8230;how great Joel and Victoria Osteen&#8217;s surprise will be when they learn they have been serving Satan&#8230;and their followers, as well. Get away from the Osteen&#8217;s before you perish with them&#8230;you can NOT be saved by a counterfeit &#8220;gospel&#8221;. Let&#8217;s hope many people begin to see the truth about Joel Osteen in 2012!</p>
<p><strong>Rand Winburn</strong> for <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/HypocritesOnParade">HypocritesOnParade</a> and <a href="http://www.iconbusters.com/">Iconbusters.com</a></p></blockquote>
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://apprising.org/2012/04/14/video-joel-osteen-exposed-2012-word-faith-prosperity-stars/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/d_1yc_vUMC8/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span>
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<p>HT: <a href="http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/">The Watchman&#8217;s Bagpipes</a></p>
<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark">MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK CALLS JOEL OSTEEN GREAT MAN OF GOD" href="http://apprising.org/2009/09/14/steven-furtick-calls-joel-osteen-great-man-of-god-2/" rel="bookmark">STEVEN FURTICK CALLS JOEL OSTEEN GREAT MAN OF GOD</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark">STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
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		<title>SBC PASTOR ED YOUNG, JR PAYS HOMAGE TO JOEL OSTEEN</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2012/02/16/sbc-pastor-ed-young-jr-pays-homage-to-joel-osteen/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apprising Ministries has been warning you for quite some time now that Word Faith prosperity preachers are moving closer to the very mainstream of contemporary evangelicalism. Earlier today I showed you in Emerging Ecumenical Evangelephants And The Word Faith Movement that former Gospel Coalition member James MacDonald and current Gospel Coalition member Mark Driscoll are actually helping [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/0008.jpg"><img class="alignleft  wp-image-57913" title="000" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/0008.jpg" alt="" width="244" height="178" /></a><a href="http://apprising.org" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> has been warning you for quite some time now that Word Faith prosperity preachers are moving closer to the very mainstream of contemporary evangelicalism.</p>
<p>Earlier today I showed you in <a title="Permanent Link to EMERGING ECUMENICAL EVANGELEPHANTS AND THE WORD FAITH MOVEMENT" href="http://apprising.org/2012/02/16/emerging-ecumenical-evangelephants-and-the-word-faith-movement/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Emerging Ecumenical Evangelephants And The Word Faith Movement</a> that former Gospel Coalition member James MacDonald and current Gospel Coalition member Mark Driscoll are actually helping to facilitate this.</p>
<p>Likely you know that in ER2 they gave trinitarian-modalist Word Faith preacher <a href="http://apprising.org/category/td-jakes/" target="_blank">T.D. Jakes</a> a pass and mainstreamed him into the evangelical community.</p>
<p>And then his dutiful disciple Prophet-Pastor <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a> has already told us that he believes Jakes&#8217; friend <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK CALLS JOEL OSTEEN GREAT MAN OF GOD" href="http://apprising.org/2009/09/14/steven-furtick-calls-joel-osteen-great-man-of-god-2/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Joel Osteen Is A Great Man Of God</a>.</p>
<p>Well, this kind of corrupt cross pollination has actually been going on for quite some time; and it&#8217;s even been happening in the Southern Baptist Convention.</p>
<p>For example, a couple of years ago in <a title="Permanent Link to ED YOUNG, JR U.B.U. AND PROMOTE WORD FAITH PREACHERS" href="http://apprising.org/2010/02/18/ed-young-jr-u-b-u-and-promote-word-faith-preachers/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Ed Young, Jr U.B.U. And Promote Word Faith Preachers</a> I told you that at his <a href="http://www.c3conference.com/" target="_blank">Creative Church Conference 2010</a> Southern Baptist megapastor Ed Joung, Jr featured <a href="http://apprising.org/category/td-jakes/">T.D. Jakes</a> as well as another TBN Word Faith favorite Jentezen Franklin.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2012/02/ed-young-jr-travels-to-his-whole-nutha.html" target="_blank">Ed Young, Jr.&#8217;s C3 2012 Conference: Just Another Seeker-Driven Line-up</a> by <a href="http://christianresearchnetwork.com/" target="_blank">Christian Research Network</a> correspondent Erin Benziger of <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Do Not Be Surprised…</a> informs us:</p>
<blockquote><p>This week&#8217;s entertainment comes to us via <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2011/12/code-orange-speaker-ed-young-jr.html">Ed Young, Jr</a>., <a href="http://fellowshipchurch.com/">Fellowship Church</a>, and the <a href="http://c3conference.com/">C3 2012 Conference</a>. If you so desire, you can <a href="http://fellowshipchurchlive.com/">view the evening session</a> and worship online. <a href="http://www.edyoung.com/product.php?id=2267">Past speakers</a> at this event have included such now-household names as <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2011/12/code-orange-speaker-bishop-td-jakes.html">&#8220;Bishop&#8221; T.D. Jakes</a>, Joyce Meyer, Brian Houston of Hillsong Church and of course, <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-might-john-macarthur-say-to-steven.html">Steven Furtick</a>.</p>
<p>In fact, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, I believe it is now considered grounds for public rebuke if one fails to invite young Prophet-Pastor Steven Furtick to speak at one&#8217;s conference&#8230;</p>
<p>Ed Young, Jr.&#8217;s 2012 C3 Conference features many of the usual names. Furtick is of course included, along with fellow Seeker-Driven and quasi-Word Faith teachers like Kevin Gerald, Steve Munsey and Stovall Weems&#8230; (<a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2012/02/ed-young-jr-travels-to-his-whole-nutha.html" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now watch the nauseating display below as Ed Young, Jr. pays his homage to WF tycoon <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a>:</p>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to BUT SOUTHERN BAPTISTS SAY OK TO “BISHOP” T.D.JAKES" href="http://apprising.org/2006/12/29/but-southern-baptists-say-ok-to-bishop-tdjakes/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">BUT SOUTHERN BAPTISTS SAY OK TO “BISHOP” T.D.JAKES</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to SBC PASTOR ED YOUNG JR IN LUXURY COVER-UP? *UPDATED*" href="http://apprising.org/2010/02/05/sbc-pastor-ed-young-jr-in-luxury-cover-up/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">SBC PASTOR ED YOUNG JR IN LUXURY COVER-UP? *UPDATED*</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to RADIO EXPOSE ON ED YOUNG JR AND LUXURY" href="http://apprising.org/2010/02/11/radio-expose-on-ed-young-jr-and-luxury/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">RADIO EXPOSE ON ED YOUNG JR AND LUXURY</a></p>
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		<link>http://apprising.org/2012/01/25/dung-droppings-in-the-elephant-room-t-d-jakes-jesus-is-the-product/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to “WE CAN WORK IT OUT:” IS JAMES MACDONALD QUALIFIED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?" href="http://apprising.org/2012/01/25/we-can-work-it-out-is-james-macdonald-qualified-to-have-this-conversation/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">“WE CAN WORK IT OUT:” IS JAMES MACDONALD QUALIFIED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to “WE CAN WORK IT OUT:” IS STEVEN FURTICK QUALIFIED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?" href="http://apprising.org/2012/01/25/we-can-work-it-out-is-steven-furtick-qualified-to-have-this-conversation/" rel="bookmark">“WE CAN WORK IT OUT:” IS STEVEN FURTICK QUALIFIED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?</a></p>
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		<title>JOEL OSTEEN AND HIS MORMON BROTHER IN CHRIST</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2012/01/18/joel-osteen-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among the issues Apprising Ministriescovers is how even the heretical Word Faith movement continues heading toward acceptance within the mainstream of evangelicalism. Unfortunately, as apostasy spreads like an Oklahoma wild fire, with timid leaders scared of their own spiritual shadows, we now find ourselves in a nauseating New Downgrade No-Controversy. This you can see for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0008.jpg"><img class="alignleft  wp-image-54843" title="000" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0008.jpg" alt="" width="195" height="121" /></a>Among the issues <a href="http://apprising.org/" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a>covers is how even the heretical Word Faith movement continues heading toward acceptance within the mainstream of evangelicalism.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as apostasy spreads like an Oklahoma wild fire, with timid leaders scared of their own spiritual shadows, we now find ourselves in a nauseating <a href="http://apprising.org/2010/08/19/the-new-downgrade-and-its-apostles-of-unbelief/" target="_blank">New Downgrade No-Controversy</a>.</p>
<p>This you can see for yourself e.g. in <a title="Permanent Link to WORD FAITH HERETIC CINDY TRIMM RECEIVES AWARD FROM BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION" href="http://apprising.org/2011/06/22/word-faith-heretic-cindy-trimm-receives-award-from-billy-graham-evangelistic-association/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Word Faith Heretic Cindy Trimm Receives Award From Billy Graham Evangelistic Association</a> or <a title="Permanent Link to ONENESS PENTECOSTAL T.D. JAKES GOES MAINSTREAM EVANGELICAL" href="http://apprising.org/2010/09/23/oneness-pentecostal-t-d-jakes-goes-mainstream-evangelical/" rel="bookmark">Oneness Pentecostal T.D. Jakes Goes Mainstream Evangelical</a> or <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK BRINGIN’ ON WORD FAITH AND THE PASTRIXES" href="http://apprising.org/2011/09/06/steven-furtick-bringin-on-word-faith-and-the-pastrixes/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Steven Furtick Bringin’ On Word Faith And The Pastrixes</a>.</p>
<p>Unless you’ve been living in a cave you know that <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/about/council-members" target="_blank">Gospel Coalition Council</a> member James MacDonald has invited notorious blab it, grab it Word Faith modalist <a href="http://apprising.org/category/td-jakes/" target="_blank">T.D. Jakes</a> into his Elephant Room 2. ER’s goal is to form a new unified tribe as I recently showed you in <a title="Permanent Link to DUNG DROPPINGS FROM THE ELEPHANT ROOM: GREG LAURIE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/06/dung-droppings-from-the-elephant-room-greg-laurie/" rel="bookmark">Dung Droppings From The Elephant Room: Greg Laurie</a>.</p>
<p>It’s important for you to understand that the first ER served to create a strong bond with Seeker Driven, i.e. man-centered, Prophet-Führer <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a> and that would help launch this false teacher further into the mainstream of the church visible. So we have solid reason to believe the same will happen with T.D. Jakes.</p>
<p>Apparently, Word Faith heretic <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a> will be the next prosperity preacher ushered into the mainstream of spiritually spineless evanjellyfish. Consider that Furtick has already proclaimed <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK CALLS JOEL OSTEEN GREAT MAN OF GOD" href="http://apprising.org/2009/09/14/steven-furtick-calls-joel-osteen-great-man-of-god-2/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank"> Joel Osteen Is A Great Man Of God</a> and <a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Megachurch Pastors Joel Osteen And T.D. Jakes Unite And Why You Should Care</a>.</p>
<p>With this in mind I point you to <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-mitt-romney-is-a-believer-in-christ-like-me-67297/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen: Mitt Romney Is a &#8216;Believer in Christ Like Me&#8217;</a> by Christian Post Reporter Ravelle Mohammed who tells us:</p>
<blockquote><p>Joel Osteen, pastor of America&#8217;s fastest growing megachurch, has reiterated his opinion that GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney is a “believer in Christ like me” and that the former Massachusetts governor&#8217;s confession of Jesus as the Son of God is “enough” for him.<br />
(<a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-mitt-romney-is-a-believer-in-christ-like-me-67297/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>We originally looked at this in <a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: MITT ROMNEY AND MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS" href="http://apprising.org/2007/12/23/joel-osteen-mitt-romney-and-mormons-are-christians/" rel="bookmark">Joel Osteen: Mitt Romney And Mormons Are Christians</a> the first time Romney ran for president. December 23rd 2007 Osteen appeared on <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/fns/" target="_blank">FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace</a> where Wallace asked the prosperity preacher, who&#8217;s apparently living large in a 10.5 million dollar mansion[1], about Romney&#8217;s Mormonism:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>WALLACE:</strong> And what about Mitt Romney? And I’ve got to ask you the question, because it is a question whether it should be or not in this campaign, <strong>is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">a Mormon</span> a true Christian</strong>?</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>OSTEEN:</strong> Well, <strong>in my mind <span style="text-decoration: underline;">they are</span></strong>. Mitt Romney has said that he believes in Christ as his savior, and that’s what I believe, so, you know, I’m not the one to judge the little details of it. So <strong>I believe <span style="text-decoration: underline;">they are</span></strong>.</p>
<p>And so, you know, Mitt Romney seems like a man of character and integrity to me, and I don’t think he would — anything would stop me from voting for him if that’s what I felt like.</p>
<p><strong>WALLACE:</strong> So, for instance, when people start talking about Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, and the golden tablets in upstate New York, and God assumes the shape of a man, do you not get hung up in those theological issues?</p>
<p><strong>OSTEEN:</strong> I probably don’t get hung up in them because I haven’t really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don’t know.<br />
I certainly can’t say that I agree with everything that I’ve heard about it, but from what I’ve heard from Mitt, when he says that <strong>Christ is his savior, to me that’s <span style="text-decoration: underline;">a common bond</span>.</strong> (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318054,00.html" target="_blank">Online source</a>, emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>So we&#8217;re not surprised that Joel Osteen hold this view; after-all, <a title="Permanent Link to JAMES ROBISON SAYS JESUS IS IN THE HEART OF MORMON GLENN BECK" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/19/james-robison-says-jesus-is-in-the-heart-of-mormon-glenn-beck/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">James Robison Says Jesus Is In The Heart Of Mormon Glenn Beck</a>. This is what happens when we appeal to our fickle feelings and do theology by liver shiver. What&#8217;s surprising is new evangelical darling Prophet-Führer <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a> is seemingly so dense spiritually he thinks Joel Osteen&#8217;s a solid Christian.</p>
<p>With his wife as pastrix and his Robert Schuelleresque pamblum, he certainly is not. Be sure we&#8217;re not caught chasing down rabbit trails. The issue is not whether Mitt Romney is a moral man; the issue is that he like Glenn Beck are faithful slaves to the non-Christian cult of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons). Osteen has “a common bond&#8221; with them?</p>
<p>Romney&#8217;s “confession of Jesus as the Son of God&#8221; is “enough” for Osteen? As a practicing Mormon, here&#8217;s the nonexistent “Jesus&#8221; in whom Romney believes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am the Jesus Christ of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons). My original Church went through a total apostasy and I took the Priesthood from the earth. In 1820 by one account—as there are nine different accounts—I appeared, with Heavenly Father, to Joseph Smith who would be the prophet to restore my Church. I told him that everything the historic Christian Church had taught was an abomination in my sight and that all who believe in those doctrines are corrupt. I am the spirit child who was born first to Heavenly Father, whose name is Elohim, and who has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Elohim was once a man who lived on the planet Kolob. He died and was resurrected by his father—after earning his way to godhood—as did his father before him, and so on back. Heavenly Father pro-created all of us through sexual relations with one of his celestial wives, and we are all his spirit children. I was born first; next was Lucifer, and then on down the line comes you. When the head of the gods—of which there are countless numbers—called a council of the gods I came up with a better plan of salvation than my brother Lucifer did. So I became the Savior for Heavenly Father’s children on earth. I was conceived for my earthly mission when Heavenly Father came down and had sexual relations with his daughter the Virgin Mary.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>I sweat great drops of blood for your sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. Then on the cross I finished my work; and because of that atonement, all persons on this earth are going to be resurrected. And so now you have a chance to earn your way to becoming a god, just like me, by working the Gospel Principles taught by the Mormon Church. But be careful because my blood was not sufficient to cover some of your sins as my prophet Brigham Young once taught for me. He said, “There’s not a man or woman who violates the covenant made with their God that will not be required to pay that debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out. [And y]our own blood must atone for it.”</p></blockquote>
<p>From the official website of the Mormon Church you&#8217;ll see they actually teach that Satan is quite literally the younger brother of Jesus:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah.</strong> On first hearing, the doctrine that <em>Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">are brothers</span></em> may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that <em>Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed <span style="text-decoration: underline;">offspring of</span> our Heavenly Father</em> and, therefore, spirit brothers.<br />
(<a href="http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1" target="_blank">Online source</a>, italics and underlining mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>No, a great man of God will hate that doctrine from the pit of hell and preach the Gospel to Mitt Romney.</p>
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<p>[1] <a href="http://bit.ly/vL6yY5" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/vL6yY5</a>, accessed 1/19/12.</p>
<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to AS SHE VISITS HIS CHURCH JOEL OSTEEN CELEBRATES WHAT GOD IS DOING WITH OPRAH WINFREY" href="http://apprising.org/2011/11/07/as-she-visits-his-church-joel-osteen-celebrates-what-god-is-doing-with-oprah-winfrey/" rel="bookmark">AS SHE VISITS HIS CHURCH JOEL OSTEEN CELEBRATES WHAT GOD IS DOING WITH OPRAH WINFREY</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/10/megachurch-pastors-joel-osteen-and-t-d-jakes-unite-and-why-you-should-care/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">MEGACHURCH PASTORS JOEL OSTEEN AND T.D. JAKES UNITE AND WHY YOU SHOULD CARE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to JAMES ROBISON AND RICK WARREN WORKING TO REVERSE THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/18/james-robison-and-rick-warren-working-to-reverse-the-protestant-reformation/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">JAMES ROBISON AND RICK WARREN WORKING TO REVERSE THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among the issues Apprising Ministries covers is how even the heretical Word Faith movement continues heading toward acceptance within the mainstream of evangelicalism. Unfortunately, as apostasy spreads like an Oklahoma wild fire, with timid leaders scared of their own spiritual shadows, we now find ourselves in a nauseating New Downgrade No-Controversy. This you can see for yourself e.g. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/115.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-51054" title="1" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/115.jpg" alt="" width="393" height="216" /></a>Among the issues <a href="http://apprising.org/" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> covers is how even the heretical Word Faith movement continues heading toward acceptance within the mainstream of evangelicalism.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as apostasy spreads like an Oklahoma wild fire, with timid leaders scared of their own spiritual shadows, we now find ourselves in a nauseating <a href="http://apprising.org/2010/08/19/the-new-downgrade-and-its-apostles-of-unbelief/" target="_blank">New Downgrade No-Controversy</a>.</p>
<p>This you can see for yourself e.g. in <a title="Permanent Link to WORD FAITH HERETIC CINDY TRIMM RECEIVES AWARD FROM BILLY GRAHAM EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION" href="http://apprising.org/2011/06/22/word-faith-heretic-cindy-trimm-receives-award-from-billy-graham-evangelistic-association/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Word Faith Heretic Cindy Trimm Receives Award From Billy Graham Evangelistic Association</a> or <a title="Permanent Link to ONENESS PENTECOSTAL T.D. JAKES GOES MAINSTREAM EVANGELICAL" href="http://apprising.org/2010/09/23/oneness-pentecostal-t-d-jakes-goes-mainstream-evangelical/" rel="bookmark">Oneness Pentecostal T.D. Jakes Goes Mainstream Evangelical</a> or <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK BRINGIN’ ON WORD FAITH AND THE PASTRIXES" href="http://apprising.org/2011/09/06/steven-furtick-bringin-on-word-faith-and-the-pastrixes/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Steven Furtick Bringin’ On Word Faith And The Pastrixes</a>.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;ve been living in a cave you know that <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/about/council-members" target="_blank">Gospel Coalition Council</a> member James MacDonald has invited notorious blab it, grab it Word Faith modalist <a href="http://apprising.org/category/td-jakes/" target="_blank">T.D. Jakes</a> into his Elephant Room 2. ER&#8217;s goal is to form a new unified tribe as I just showed you in <a title="Permanent Link to DUNG DROPPINGS FROM THE ELEPHANT ROOM: GREG LAURIE" href="http://apprising.org/2011/12/06/dung-droppings-from-the-elephant-room-greg-laurie/" rel="bookmark">Dung Droppings From The Elephant Room: Greg Laurie</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important for you to understand that the first ER served to create a strong bond with Seeker Driven, i.e. man-centered, Prophet-Pastor <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a> and that helped to launch this false teacher further into the mainstream of the church visible. So we have solid reason to believe the same will happen with T.D. Jakes.</p>
<p>We already see it beginning as we consider the following endorsement of the heretical Jakes from James MacDonald below:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/JM.png"><img class="align size-full wp-image-51073" title="JM" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/JM.png" alt="" width="553" height="173" /></a><br />
(<a href="http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9055" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>You may know that Jakes is also scheduled to preach for MacDonald&#8217;s fellow ER tribe member Steven Furtick at a conference where even MacDonald himself is set to speak at as well:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SF.png"><img class="align size-full wp-image-51077" title="SF" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SF.png" alt="" width="242" height="120" /></a><br />
(<a href="https://twitter.com/#%21/stevenfurtick/status/142244671991717888" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now it&#8217;s no secret that Prophet-Pastor Furtick is also a fan of Word Faith properity preacher <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a>. So this sheds much light upon <a href="http://www.stevenfurtick.com/ministry-perspective/when-rivalry-looks-ridiculous/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">When Rivalry Looks Ridiculous</a>, a recent post where Furtick muses:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SF0.png"><img class="align size-full wp-image-51079" title="SF0" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SF0.png" alt="" width="511" height="260" /></a><br />
(<a href="http://www.stevenfurtick.com/ministry-perspective/when-rivalry-looks-ridiculous/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>O that sounds so pious; I can almost hear the applause. But what P-P Furtick neglects to point out is that God has told us why unbelievers, as we also once were, don&#8217;t care about what it is Christians are speaking of: S-I-N. And further:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one”&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. </em><br />
(<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/rom+3%3A10-12/" target="_blank">Romans 3:10-12</a>; <a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1+cor+2%3A14/" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 2:14</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>When&#8217;s the last time you heard any of these people-pleasers I&#8217;m discussing here preach that? Answer: Never. You want to know why; I&#8217;ll tell you. It&#8217;s because they&#8217;re afraid to; instead of trusting God to empower their preaching, they&#8217;re relying upon their own cleverness. And so they resort to the use of man&#8217;s wisdom.</p>
<p>To quote some pop philosophers from Canada, <em>It&#8217;s All Been Done</em>; as the Lord has revealed to us:</p>
<blockquote><p><em> For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, </em><em>“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”</em></p>
<p><em>Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.</em> (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/1%20Corinthians%201%3A18-21/" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 1:18-21</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Since this isn&#8217;t the subject of this piece, it&#8217;s suffice to say the Bible still says — <em>For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power</em> (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1+Corinthians+4%3A20/" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 4:20</a>). In closing this, for now, note again something Steven Furtick said above and then I&#8217;ll show how close to the mainstream Word Faith heretics have become.</p>
<p>Furtick plays the typical SD, now called &#8220;attractional,&#8221; theme song disparaging doctrine:</p>
<blockquote><p>We’re busy drawing battle lines within our bubble:<br />
“Are you Calvinist or Arminian?”<br />
“Are you missional or attractional?”<br />
“Are you a Cessationist or a Continuationist?”<br />
“Are you seeker sensitive or (insert opposite of seeker sensitive)”<br />
“Are you blah blah blah or yada yada yada?” (<a href="http://www.stevenfurtick.com/ministry-perspective/when-rivalry-looks-ridiculous/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Is Steven Furtick really so ignorant of church history that he doesn&#8217;t know people within their Protestant “bubble&#8221; paid with their very lives so he could have in his hands a Bible from which to twist his quasi-Word Faith mythology? Does he seriously think that is merely blah, blah, blah, or yada, yada, yada?</p>
<p>How about Word Faith heretics like Joel Osteen who (at best) bless, and (at worst) also believe, the warped works of <a href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/06/kenneth-hagin-and-kenneth-copeland-do-regenerated-christians-really-teach-jesus-christ-is-a-born-again-man/" target="_blank">Kenneth Copeland</a> who teaches that faith is a literal substance that creates through our spoken words and that whenever we see Jesus say, “I AM,&#8221; we should as well because He was the first born again man.</p>
<p>Should we just ignore that blasphemy because Copeland has a big following? How about T.D. Jakes, who in addition to denying the very nature of the God he professes to serve, is also firmly in the same Word Faith camp as Osteen? Witness the further bonding of this new tribe now in <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&amp;id=7572197" target="_blank">Pastors of Texas Mega-churches unite</a>.</p>
<p>It contains this report below from <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/index" target="_blank">KTRK-TV ABC 13</a> in Houston, TX. On his November 28th F4F program <a href="http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2011/11/the-osteen-td-jakes-wolf-pack.html" target="_blank">The Osteen / T.D. Jakes Wolf Pack</a> Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough said, &#8220;It sounds like they&#8217;re talking about two Heads of State.&#8221; As you watch it, I think you&#8217;ll agree:</p>
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<p>Just a couple of quick notes. Here we see:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jakes called Osteen, hoping to get Lakewood to host a men&#8217;s conference.  A quick tour turned into an all-day session&#8230; Their new bond led Osteen to invite Jakes to preach. (<a href="http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&amp;id=7572197" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>The Lord asks us the key rhetorical question — <em>“Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?&#8221;</em> (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/amos+3%3A3/" target="_blank">Amos 3:3</a>) The answer is: No, they do not. Like heretic attracts like heresies. What&#8217;s a sad indictment upon the evangelical community is they don&#8217;t see it, but the secular media does:</p>
<blockquote><p>they have a lot in common.  Both pastor mega churches, and preach to millions more on TV.  And both have made millions outside of the pulpit from best-selling books and even movies. (<a href="http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&amp;id=7572197" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed; and as you&#8217;ll hear master snake oil salesman T.D. Jakes himself say below, &#8220;Jesus is the product.&#8221;</p>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to T.D. JAKES AND SUPPORT FOR APPRISING MINISTRIES" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/29/t-d-jakes-and-support-for-apprising-ministries/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">T.D. JAKES AND SUPPORT FOR APPRISING MINISTRIES</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to THE ELEPHANT ROOM, T.D. JAKES &amp; CINDY TRIMM" href="http://apprising.org/2011/11/18/the-elephant-room-t-d-jakes-cindy-trimm/" rel="bookmark">THE ELEPHANT ROOM, T.D. JAKES &amp; CINDY TRIMM</a></p>
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		<title>AS SHE VISITS HIS CHURCH JOEL OSTEEN CELEBRATES WHAT GOD IS DOING WITH OPRAH WINFREY</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2011/11/07/as-she-visits-his-church-joel-osteen-celebrates-what-god-is-doing-with-oprah-winfrey/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite sagging funding Apprising Ministries continues covering the falling away of the largely pretending to be Protestant evangelical community. Here I draw to your attention that once again Word Faith heretic Joel Osteen is in the news. Through the promotion of people like Seeker Driven Prophet-Führer Steven Furtick, who calls Osteen a great man of God, the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Joel-Osteen.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-49863" title="Joel Osteen" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Joel-Osteen.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="174" /></a>Despite sagging funding <a href="http://apprising.org" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> continues covering the falling away of the largely pretending to be Protestant evangelical community. Here I draw to your attention that once again Word Faith heretic <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a> is in the news.</p>
<p>Through the promotion of people like Seeker Driven Prophet-Führer <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a>, who calls Osteen a great man of God, the “blab it and grab it” prosperity preacher continues to gain ground even in the mainstream of the church visible.</p>
<p>However, as I pointed out in <a title="Permanent Link to THE JOEL OSTEEN CHURCH NETWORK" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/25/the-joel-osteen-church-network/" rel="bookmark">The Joel Osteen Church Network,</a> if Joel Osteen is a great man of God, then Mormon founder Joseph Smith was actually a Christian prophet. And after-all, Osteen’s already said <a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: MITT ROMNEY AND MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS" href="http://apprising.org/2007/12/23/joel-osteen-mitt-romney-and-mormons-are-christians/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Mitt Romney And Mormons Are Christians</a>.</p>
<p>Next we&#8217;ll probably hear Osteen pronounce Oprah Winfrey, a known proponent and practitioner of the New Spirituality aka New Age, a Christian as well. This brings me to <a href="http://global.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-welcomes-oprah-winfrey-tyler-perry-to-lakewood-church-video-60831/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen Welcomes Oprah Winfrey, Tyler Perry to Lakewood Church</a> where Christ<em>ian Post</em> contributor Allison Summers tells us:</p>
<blockquote><p>Television mogul Oprah Winfrey and stage and movie producer Tyler Perry created a stir with a surprise appearance at Pastor Joel Osteen&#8217;s Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, Sunday for an 11 a.m. service.</p>
<p>&#8220;Awesome to have you!&#8221; said Osteen, announcing their presence and welcoming the celebrities to the church. &#8220;We&#8217;re so honored to have you both here, and we just celebrate and pray for you guys with what God is doing in your lives.&#8221; (<a href="http://global.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-welcomes-oprah-winfrey-tyler-perry-to-lakewood-church-video-60831/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Though Winfrey professes to be a Christian, as I showed you in <a title="Permanent Link to OPRAH WINFREY SPEAKING AS A CHRISTIAN" href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/05/oprah-winfrey-speaking-as-a-christian/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Oprah Winfrey Speaking As A Christian</a>, her testimony and teaching simply doesn&#8217;t bear that out. We need to be praying for her salvation because she has no relationship with God; she is currently an outspoken enemy of the Cross of Christ (cf. <a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/phil+3%3A18/" target="_blank">Philippians 3:18</a>).</p>
<p>Summers then informs us that:</p>
<blockquote><p>Winfrey was in the area to interview Osteen as part of her new series &#8220;Oprah&#8217;s Next Chapter,&#8221; which is set to premiere in January on her channel, the Oprah Winfrey Network.</p>
<p>She reportedly joined Osteen and his wife, Victoria Osteen, for lunch at their home and discussed topics with them such as power, marriage and faith, according to The Houston Chronicle. (<a href="http://global.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-welcomes-oprah-winfrey-tyler-perry-to-lakewood-church-video-60831/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>In such a setting Osteen usually manages to open his mouth to exchange feet. Summers says he:</p>
<blockquote><p>has been known to spark controversy in the Christian community on his views about certain fundamental beliefs of the church, such as homosexuality. (<a href="http://global.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-welcomes-oprah-winfrey-tyler-perry-to-lakewood-church-video-60831/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Controversy is rather an over-statement; apostatizing evanjellyfish is pretty much anything goes. From monitoring Internet intel along its younger sectors, the deviant pro-homosexual lobby&#8217;s got them about to cave on <a href="http://apprising.org/category/christian-homosexuality/" target="_blank">homosexuality</a>; the same as it once did the dead mainline denominations now being ripped apart by it.</p>
<p>You need to understand that Joel Osteen&#8217;s wishy-washy non-views are actually becoming an evangelical norm.</p>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE" href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/02/joel-osteen-smile-when-you-lie/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark">STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to T.D. JAKES: JESUS IS THE PRODUCT" href="http://apprising.org/2010/03/10/t-d-jakes-jesus-is-the-product/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">T.D. JAKES: JESUS IS THE PRODUCT</a></p>
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		<title>THE JOEL OSTEEN CHURCH NETWORK</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2011/10/25/the-joel-osteen-church-network/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the time I have left Apprising Ministries continues documenting the sad slide into apostasy of the evangelical community. Are you ready for Joel Osteen Joins Hands With America&#8217;s Churches? Christian Post reminds us today that Word Faith &#8220;blab it and grab it&#8221; prosperity heretic Joel Osteen continues to gain ground in the mainstream of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/124.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-49138" title="1" src="http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/124.jpg" alt="" width="264" height="141" /></a>With the time I have left <a href="http://apprising.org" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> continues documenting the sad slide into apostasy of the evangelical community. Are you ready for <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-joins-hands-with-americas-churches-59187/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen Joins Hands With America&#8217;s Churches</a>?</p>
<p><em>Christian Post</em> reminds us today that Word Faith &#8220;blab it and grab it&#8221; prosperity heretic <a href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/" target="_blank">Joel Osteen</a> continues to gain ground in the mainstream of the church visible.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already seen evangelical darling, and returning Elephant Room vet, Prophet Pastor <a href="http://apprising.org/category/steven-furtick/" target="_blank">Steven Furtick</a> demonstrate just how far off his discernment is in <a title="Permanent Link to STEVEN FURTICK, JAMES MACDONALD, AND JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2011/10/04/steven-furtick-james-macdonald-and-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Steven Furtick, James MacDonald, And Joel Osteen</a>.</p>
<p>Right; if Joel Osteen is a great man of God, then Mormon founder Joseph Smith was actually a Christian prophet. Well after-all, Osteen&#8217;s already said <a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: MITT ROMNEY AND MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS" href="http://apprising.org/2007/12/23/joel-osteen-mitt-romney-and-mormons-are-christians/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">Mitt Romney And Mormons Are Christians</a>.</p>
<p>CP contributor Mark Hensch tells us:</p>
<blockquote><p>Joel Osteen, the pastor of Houston&#8217;s Lakewood Church, hopes his fame will put a face on the nation&#8217;s Christian community. The New York Times bestselling author is leading Lakewood&#8217;s Champions Network, a national network that helps Christians find churches in their area.</p>
<p>&#8220;I feel like God said &#8216;Joel, go connect with other pastors and get people into good, Bible-based churches,’&#8221; he said Monday at a Champions Network meeting in Washington, D.C. &#8220;I&#8217;m trying to throw a wide net of hope and catch people flipping through the channels unaware of Christ.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-joins-hands-with-americas-churches-59187/" target="_blank">Online source</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>No, God didn&#8217;t tell this to Joel Osteen. Before Osteen could get people &#8220;into good, Bible-based churches&#8221; he&#8217;d have to first know what one is. We certainly don&#8217;t see it with his Lakewood Church.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, today special AM correspondent Erin Benziger gives us more reason to reject Joel Osteen as a false teacher in her post  <a href="http://revelation22-20.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-believe-that-mormons-are-christians.html" target="_blank">&#8220;I believe that [Mormons] are Christians,&#8221; Mr. Osteen said&#8230;</a></p>
<p>These words you&#8217;re see and hear below are not those of a genuine Christian:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I believe that [Mormons] are Christians,” Mr. Osteen said. “I don’t know if it’s the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons. I hear Mitt Romney — and I’ve never met him — but I hear him say, ‘I believe Jesus is the son of God,’ ‘I believe he’s my savior,’ and that’s one of the core issues.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>“I’m sure there are other issues that we don’t agree on. But you know, I can say that the Baptists and the Methodists and the Catholics don’t all agree on everything. So that would be my take on it.” (<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/24/osteen-faith-at-all-time-high">Online Source</a>)</p></blockquote>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to ED YOUNG, JR PAYS HOMAGE TO JOEL OSTEEN" href="http://apprising.org/2010/02/19/ed-young-jr-pays-homage-to-joel-osteen/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">ED YOUNG, JR PAYS HOMAGE TO JOEL OSTEEN</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE" href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/02/joel-osteen-smile-when-you-lie/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: APPRISING HIS WORD FAITH TEACHINGS" href="http://apprising.org/2008/08/joel-osteen-apprising-his-word-faith-teachings/" rel="bookmark" target="_blank">JOEL OSTEEN: APPRISING HIS WORD FAITH TEACHINGS</a></p>
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		<title>PASTORAL POINTERS FROM JOEL OSTEEN AND ROB BELL</title>
		<link>http://apprising.org/2011/04/01/pastoral-pointers-from-joel-osteen-and-rob-bell/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva pastor-teacher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apprising Ministries now points you to an interesting &#8220;chat,&#8221; which personally purports to be between Word Faith heretic Joel Osteen and the Emerging Church rock star pastor Rob Bell. See also: JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE ROB BELL DEFENDING LOVE WINS MYTHOLOGY APPRISING MINISTRIES: ROB BELL RESOURCES]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://apprising.org/" target="_blank">Apprising Ministries</a> now points you to an interesting &#8220;chat,&#8221; which personally purports to be between Word Faith heretic <a title="View all posts filed under Joel Osteen" href="http://apprising.org/category/joel-osteen/">Joel Osteen</a> and the <a href="http://apprising.org/category/emergent-church/" target="_blank">Emerging Church</a> rock star pastor <a title="View all posts filed under Rob Bell" href="http://apprising.org/category/rob-bell/" target="_blank">Rob Bell</a>. <img src='http://d3e4298tco5ouh.cloudfront.net/discern/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>See also:</p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE" rel="bookmark" href="http://apprising.org/2008/09/02/joel-osteen-smile-when-you-lie/" target="_blank">JOEL OSTEEN: SMILE WHEN YOU LIE</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to ROB BELL DEFENDING LOVE WINS MYTHOLOGY" rel="bookmark" href="http://apprising.org/2011/03/30/rob-bell-defending-love-wins-mythology/" target="_blank">ROB BELL DEFENDING LOVE WINS MYTHOLOGY</a></p>
<p><a title="Permanent Link to APPRISING MINISTRIES: ROB BELL RESOURCES" rel="bookmark" href="http://apprising.org/2011/03/16/apprising-ministries-rob-bell-resources/" target="_blank">APPRISING MINISTRIES: ROB BELL RESOURCES</a></p>
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