Q&A FOR "GAY AFFIRMING" EMERGING CHURCH PASTOR JAY BAKKER
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Jun 15, 2009 in Emergence Christianity, Emergent Church, Homosexuality/"Christian", Jay Bakker
In the video below Jay Bakker, who has become an influential voice in Emerging Church aka Emergent Church, now morphing into Emergence Christianity, will tell you:
I don’t think we’re deceived; I think a lot of us have become more open to the idea that we’re called to love people. Um, now does that mean we ignore sin, and all that? Of course not. Sin is something that affects someone in a negative way, and it hurts someone. So if we really love someone, we don’t want to see them hurt themselves.
But at the same time, I think we really have to work hard on helping them learn, in their own lives, what the Holy Spirit’s speaking to them; and what their convictions are. Um, you know if you’re one of those people out there, who’s always looking for sin, or looking for a reason to accuse someone of something, or judge someone of something, then this question will probably not satisfy anyone.
Um, and it definitely won’t satisfy anyone who feel the need to do that. I don’t feel the need to do that; I feel the need to love people, and introduce people to, to God; and let them understand how much God loves them, and introduce them to the—you know—the Bible, so they can—you know—read the Bible. (2:42-3:33)
First of all, whoever said that someone like myself who holds to the Biblical doctrines of grace isn’t also “more open” to God’s call to “love people”? And there are those who ask: Do you love Jay Bakker? In Christ, yes, I do; which is why I’m doing what I can in my limited forums to tell him the truth. As I pointed out in Real Love Tells The Truth as we listen to many teachers in the contemporary and apostate Ecumenical Church of Deceit today one could easily come away with the idea that the Christian message has now somehow been changed into a quasi-universal salvation inclusive of all “faith traditions” (i.e. religions).
But years ago in his excellent exhortation Spirit of the Age (circa 1980) Dr. Walter Martin (1928-1989) correctly stated that the age, in whch we now live, is one characterized by universalism. And this warped era of a phony tolerance has its rancid root in the visible church quite literally creating an idol out of its very faulty understanding of love of the Lord. And it has been well-said elsewhere that every heresy begins with a misunderstanding of the character of God. Whenever one attribute of God’s divine nature is over-emphasized at the expense of others you are asking for grave trouble.
This is exactly what has happened today with, ostensibly well-meaning, people like Jay Bakker. In a very real sense, he is right above when he says that ignoring sin “hurts someone,” which is why I have asked the question: Does “Gay Affirming Pastor” Jay Bakker Really Love Gay People? How can one say that they love someone else and then, while they are hurting themselves, simply do nothing—or worse yet—actually tell them that their sin is not even sin? Men and women in the end, it is precisely as Dr. John MacArthur has already said of the Emerging/ent/ence Church:
The bottom line, I think, in the movement is that it is a denial of the clarity of Scripture. It is a denial that we can know what the Bible really says… It is at the foundation an unwillingness to accept the clear teaching of Scripture… These people, like the liberals, deny the clear teaching of Scripture…
One of the big issues is homosexuality in the Emerging Church. They don’t want to take a position on homosexuality. The Bible is not vague or obscure or oblique about homosexuality. It couldn’t be more clear. A homosexual will not inherit the Kingdom of God…that’s pretty clear. Homosexuality in Romans chapter 1 is a perversion that is manifestly when it happens in a culture, begins to dominate a culture, an evidence of divine wrath and divine judgment. So the Bible is clear. They don’t want that clarity. (Online source)
Well, it’s because I truly do care that I remind Jay Bakker, who would be a peer of mine as a pastor-teacher, that Jesus says — “whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:6, ESV). Eternally serious business here indeed; because while Bakker is not telling the truth to GLBTQ people, for whom Christ died, the fact remains that he’s now sharing in the responsibility for their sin (see—Ezekiel 33:6; Acts 20:26-27).
Therefore, in real love I must also remind pastor Bakker that the Spirit of Jesus (Acts 16:7) also said through His inspired vessel James — Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly (James 3:1). As Bakker has been publicly discussing my post with others he has shared the following conviction:
I can not with good conscious be silent, while our faith is used to discriminate angst OUR LGBT brothers and sisters. (GRACE & LOVE) (Online source)
Neither can I, in good consciousness, remain silent while the Christian faith is being so diluted, which then ends up as a very real discrimination against GLBTQ people, who are, at the very least, our brothers and sisters in the Adamic sense of humanity. You need to also keep in mind here that it happens to be part of my commission, just as it is any minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to faithfully — Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction (2 Timothy 4:2).
And so, this I have done.
See also:
JAY BAKKER: ONE PUNK UNDER GOD AND THE EMERGING CHURCH
MEET THE ASSISTANT PASTOR TO JAY BAKKER OF REVOLUTION CHURCH NYC
BUT DO EMERGENCE CHRISTIANITY AND BRIAN MCLAREN REALLY LOVE GAY PEOPLE?
THE EMERGENCE OF EVANGELICAL INCLUSIVE ORTHODOXY AND EMBRACE OF GLBTQ CHRISTIANS