PCUSA VOTES TO ORDAIN LESBIAN LISA LARGES
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Nov 11, 2009 in Current Issues, Features, Homosexuality/"Christian"
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20, NASB)
Calling Jesus Lord But All The While Not Doing What He Says
This is a bit of a folllow-up to the Apprising Ministries post Will Lesbian Lisa Larges Make PCUSA Apostasy Bigger? Sadly, the answer is: Yes. From the San Francisco Chronicle:
The San Francisco Presbytery agreed late Tuesday to ordain the first openly homosexual minister in the denomination… It’s a significant decision in the Presbyterian church, which like many other religious denominations around the country has struggled for years over how to include gays and lesbians in church affairs. (Online source)
The Presbyterian Outlook tells us:
By a very close margin, San Francisco Presbytery voted yesterday (Nov. 10) to permit the ordination of Lisa Larges, a lesbian who has sought for more than 20 years to become a minister in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)… (Online source)
More Light Presbyterians, “a network of people seeking the full participation of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people of faith in the life, ministry and witness of the Presbyterian Church (USA),” said that:
After waiting 23 years, Lisa Larges was approved for ordination tonight by the Presbytery of San Francisco… That All May Freely Serve, for whom Lisa serves as Minister Coordinator, was approved as a validated ministry. (Online source)
Then there’s this from self-described “queer, feminist, Presbyterian ministry candidate” Alex McNeill:
Proof that openly #lgbt can be ordained in PCUSA! This is big. RT @rpaigemast @abbykk The MOTION PASSES!!!! Lisa will be ordained! #sfpby (Online source)
To no one’s surprise gay affirming PCUSA pastrix Nanette Sawyer, one of the “Voices” who spoke at the recent apostasia-palooza Christianity 21, put on by the heretical duo of Tony Jones and his quasi-universalist pastor Doug Pagitt, is quite pleased:
RT @jblewis Proud of #sfpby and thrilled for Lisa and PC(USA). Hallelujah! (Online source)
Fellow PCUSA pastrix Laura Becker also adds:
Congrats to Lisa Larges & #sfpby! Big step for our denomination. Praying for all of us to faithfully navigate the conversations to come. (Online source)
While this is not ordination for Larges, the issue is, now the PCUSA has opened the door—in further violation of God’s Word—for her to be ordained as pastor, even though she’s openly committing the sin of sexual immorality by having sexual relations with someone of the same sex i.e. homosexuality, which will always be outside of the definition of marriage given us by Jesus in Scripture. Rev. James Kim, who tells that he’s “privileged to be a pastor at Trinity Presbyterian Church in The Colony, Texas”, tweets a bit more detail:
San Francisco Presbytery voted 156-138 to ordain Lisa Larges of That All May Freely Serve as minister of Word and Sacrament. Pray 4 PCUSA. (Online source)
And then in his post It’s Official 156-138 to Ordain Lisa Larges—What Does This Mean For us Now? PCUSA pastor Kim expands upon what this tragic decision will mean; as you can see in ELCA Pastrix Nadia Bolz-Weber Weighs In On ELCA Church-Wide Assembly, it’s a decision right in line with the one which recently mortally wounded the ELCA. Pastor Kim informs us that “for the first time in the history of the PC(USA), a presbytery is openly and willingly ordaining an individual they know to be gay.”
And he is dead-on-target when he continues:
This will have far reaching ramifications in the life of the denomination. Only God knows how all of this will shake itself out. Perhaps this is not a bad thing. We know now without any shadow of doubt where some in our denomination are when it comes to human sexuality and more importantly the authority of scripture.
We have been pretending that everything’s hunky dory when we’ve known for a long time that there has been a chasm when it comes to the understanding of the authority of scripture. (Online source)
The ramifications for the PCUSA already include the Holy Spirit grieving, and now likely He’ll remove its lampstand completely and leave; it’s really only a matter of time once people claiming to be Christian follow fickle feelings rather than what God has said in the Bible. One need only look at where the Cult of Liberal Theology has taken virtually all of the mainline denominations right now. Kim goes on:
Maybe this will force us to decide what we really mean by connectionalism, by mutual accountability, and by being in communion with one another. We’ve only been glossing over these issues hoping and pretending that things really weren’t as bad as they seemed. Well, the days of pretending are gone now.
We have to deal with these questions. What does it mean for us to be a connectional church NOW? … Now we no longer have the luxury of pretense. We must begin grappling with these questions now. (Online source)
Same Progression That Killed Mainline Churches Has Already Begun In The Mainstream
I don’t know pastor Kim, so I am not in any way commenting upon his personal beliefs; that said, mainstream evangelicalism will “soon” be grappling with the very same questions. And from studying what’s essentially been a sad spiritual Bataan death march of the mainline denominations, the first place you’ll see the attack begin upon Scripture, is in those mainstream demoninations who already unbiblically ordain women to the office of elder. A couple of months ago I shared some important information in The Emerging Church Highjacking Evangelicalism.
What you need to come to understand is that the mainstream of the visible church is now about to pay a terrible price for embracing the seducing spirits and their doctrines of demons slithering around the egregiously ecumenical Emerging Church aka Emergent Church de-formation of the Christian faith—now morphing into Emergence Christianity (EC). But you see, the EC is simply a postmodern version of the man-centered Church Growth Movement, and over the past decade it has quietly been making tremendous inroads into mainstream evangelicalism.
This was accomplished largely through seemingly harmless “alternative” Youth/Young Adult worship services. But as I shared before, Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith is absolutely right when he calls this EC a Liberalism 2.0 now upgraded to include the miraculous and with a reimagined postmodern version of modern theology’s spiritually bankrupt social gospel. And done a core doctrine of the EC is actually highly existential i.e. feelings-oriented Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM).
In order to make this fly anti-Reformation CSM, rooted as it is in the Counter Reformation of apostate Roman Catholicism, the EC imbedded itself into mainstream evangelical seminaries and denominational leadership structures of as they began to re-educate pastors through relentless propaganda coming out of evangelical publishing houses. And circa 1985 renwned cult expert Dr. Walter Martin (1928-1989) told us this is precisely the methodology which Satan first used to inject his poison into the mainline of the visible church.
As previously pointed out EC leaders learned from their evil forebears; they knew that in order for this cult of a postliberalism to advance their pet projects, one of which is affirming a lifestyle of the unrepentant practice of homosexuality as a viable one for the Christian, the EC would have to level the very same attack against Sola Scriptura as did the original liberalism. And I’m using the issue of homosexuality to light up the night sky with the Word of God so that you could see the advance of enemy forces.
The reason being, the sinfulness of homosexuality is just about as clear as it gets in Holy Scripture. But you’d best face the fact; if you won’t stand against this, then you won’t stand, period. Now, you’re welcome to sleep on if you want to; but just the same, as long as the Lord chooses to sustain AM I will continue to sound the warning that 1 Peter 4:17 judgments are already falling upon the mainstream of the visible church. And one of which clearly is Protestant Churches Shifting Toward Affirming Homosexuality.
We see this absolutely evidenced by ELCA And Homosexuality, with their recent vote to affirm clergy openly committing same-sex sexual immorality, the lunacy in the Lord’s Name you’ll see in Nadia Bolz-Weber Weighs In On ELCA Church-Wide Assembly with this “Queer Affirming” Lutheran woman “pastor” defending it, and the idiocy exibited in the PCUSA vote above. Which is why, once again, I tell you that there’s a very dark and threatening same-sex storm right now approaching hurricane force, which is currently only slightly off the coast of your own local church.
See also:
JESUS DEFINES MARRIAGE FOR RED LETTER CHRISTIANS
THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS DIFFERENT
EMERGING CHURCH GURU BRIAN MCLAREN SHARES “A FANTASTIC VIDEO”
WHY NO CONDEMNATION FOR CHRISTIANS WHO ARE HOMOPRESSIVE?
AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
BUT DO EMERGENCE CHRISTIANITY AND BRIAN MCLAREN REALLY LOVE GAY PEOPLE?
OUTLAW PREACHERS KHAD YOUNG AND JAY BAKKER DON’T LOVE ENOUGH