CHRISTINE CAINE, BETH MOORE, AND LISA BEVERE TEACH THESSALONIKI WOMEN AT “BE THE CHANGE” CONFERENCE
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Nov 12, 2012 in Current Issues, Features
By Christian Research Network Associate Editor Erin Benziger of Do Not Be Surprised…
This is a repost of an original article on Do Not Be Surprised…Earlier this week, on 9 and 10 November, a multitude of women gathered in Thessaloniki, Greece to learn how to “Be the Change” with speakers Beth Moore, Christine Caine and Lisa Bevere. These three women, especially Caine, were abuzz on Twitter throughout the event, letting those who were not in attendance know just what they were missing. Be the Change is described as:
Source Yet, knowing what we do about some of these speakers, one is left wondering just what was taught to this large gathering of women. Just what type of change did they learn to be?
For popular SBC Bible teacher Beth Moore, the adventure began even before the conference, as she entered the local headquarters of friend Christine Caine’s A21 Campaign and discovered that the girls there were studying her “Breaking Free” materials:
Source Moore has been discussed at length here and at other reputable online apologetic and discernment sites such as Apprising Ministries. Not only is her participation in the Passion 2012 conference whereinshe and others engaged in a type of “Lectio Divina-lite” concerning, but it has been demonstrated in the past that Moore has seemingly endorsed contemplative practices and other dangerous resources such as the book, Jesus Calling.
In posts such as Beth Moore the Mystic, pastor-teacher Ken Silva also has revealed that Moore claims to receive direct revelation from God. Perhaps not coincidentally, then, in her 2002 teaching series, the Southern Baptist Bible teacher explains that she does not hold to cessationism which, according to her is an “extreme teaching in the Body of Christ:”
Transcript:
We got a lot of things going in our current religious culture. And we’ve got two extremes I want to address tonight so that we can understand them. First of all I want you to look over to this side. We have the religious culture of the extreme that I’m going to call Cessationism.
Now I’m making up a word with that -ism. But you know the word cessation and it a word that comes from cease. And this particular extreme teaching in the Body of Christ says all miracles have ceased. For all practical purposes, God no longer works miracles in our day. Now most of them still believe that He will in the end of times.
But most of their stands, and I need to tell you something, I have served all over this spectrum. And I have very good friends and people I love very, very much who stand exactly right here. This was much of my early teaching. In so many ways, much of what they taught me I still live on every single day of my life.
It is truth to me that there is one place where it goes that I cannot go with it and that is to the extreme of miracles have ceased. That’s what we’re calling for our practical purposes, Cessationism.
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And, though Moore has said that she had “no idea” that one would be labeled a mystic if “you felt God had spoken something specific to you,” one’s eyebrows certainly must raise when she is heard teaching ideas such as the following:Partial Transcript:
What God began to say to me about five years ago, and I’m telling you it sent me on such a trek with Him, that my head is still whirling over it. He began to say to me, ‘I’m gonna tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down, and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it:”My Bride is paralyzed by unbelief. My Bride is paralyzed by unbelief.” And He said, “Startin’ with you.”
Transcript:
to beg to differ with people that are ten times smarter than I am. But I want to say to you I see something different than that. I see God doing something huge in the body of Christ.
I do not know why I have had the privilege to get to travel around, see one church after another…one group of believers after another, interdenominationally, all over this country, but I have gotten to see something that I think is huge.
And I’ll also suggest to you I am not the only one. And tonight I’m going to do my absolute best to illustrate to you something that God showed me out on that back porch. He put a picture…I’ve explained to you before I am a very visual person…so He speaks to me very often of putting a picture in my head.
And it was as if I was raised up looking down on a community, as I saw the Church in that particular dimension- certainly not all dimensions, not even in many, but in what we will discuss tonight, the church, as Jesus sees it, in a particular dimension.”
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Note that Moore above claimed that she had been shown the church “as Jesus sees it.” What is additionally disturbing, then is that Moore apparently thinks that God has shown her that the apostate Roman Catholic Church is part of the true Church.
Nevertheless, it seems as though Moore made quite an impact at the Be the Change conference as Lisa Bevere would tweet:
Source And Christine Caine would share:
Source Like Beth Moore, Christine Caine has been discussed at length on this blog and others. We recently wondered if perhaps God is telling Christine Caine secrets that she is not to share with others. It also has been demonstrated that Caine has apparent disregard for the biblical admonition against women preachers, as she has joyfully taught weekend services at such megachurches as Steven Furtick’s Elevation Church and, most recently, Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in California.Christine Caine has revealed that she has been influenced by some of America’s most spurious female Bible teachers. She has called Sheryl Brady of The Potter’s House North Dallas, “flat-out the best chick PREACHER of the word!”
Source As was documented in Vice-Prelate T.D. Jakes to Speak at ‘Holy Convocation’ of Oneness Pentecostal Organization, Brady is considered by Word Faith heretic T.D. Jakes to be one of his “spiritual daughters.” Perhaps it is preaching like this that Caine finds so electrifying and Jakes finds so praiseworthy:
As concerning as Brady’s influence may be, of even greater interest is that Christine Caine claims that popular Word Faith teacher Joyce Meyer is her “spiritual mother.” In September of this year, Caine was preparing her message for the annual Joyce Meyers Ministries Love Life women’s conference and would tweet:
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Source Joyce Meyer teaches such common Word Faith doctrines as the power of words and the idea that men are “little gods.” Her influence over Christine Caine, then, is concerning at best if not demonstrably dangerous. Indeed, as apologist Chris Rosebrough has revealed through a critique of Caine’s Code Orange Revival sermon, Christine Caine is a woman who is adept at mishandling the Word of God.
What, then, of the third mentioned Be the Change speaker, Lisa Bevere? Little has been said on this site of Bevere and her husband, John. It was noted, however, that John Bevere was a featured speaker, along with young megachurch pastor Steven Furtick, at the Presence Conference held earlier this year, and hosted by Phil Pringle of C3 Church in Australia.Lisa and John Bevere are the founders of Messengers International (MI) which,exists to help individuals, families, churches, and nations realize and experience the transforming power of God’s Word. This realization will result in lives empowered, communities transformed, and a dynamic response to the injustices plaguing our world. (Source)
According to the MI website, “The ministry began with a mandate to see nations transformed by the power of God’s Word.” One necessarily presumes that this so-called “mandate” must have been given by “God” Himself, if it was powerful enough to spur the Beveres into creating an entire ministry. Unfortunately, we learn little of how doctrinally sound is this ministry, as its Statement of Faith appears to consist only of the following:
Source Lisa Bevere is the author of such books as Lioness Arising: Wake Up and Change Your World, The True Measure Of A Woman: Discover Your Intrinsic Value and See Yourself as God Does, and Kissed the Girls and Made Them Cry: Why Women Lose When We Give In. We learn more about Bevere from this video posted on her own YouTube channel:
Note some of the interesting claims and teachings Bevere espouses:It’s your time. It’s time for the gift of God in your life to come forth. It’s time for the things that you have in your life to be released. Father, I speak to the gifts. I speak to the talents. I speak to the anointing. I speak to what you have given them to steward. I speak release. I bless these hands, Father, with the power of dominion.
Dominion? What does Lisa Bevere mean when she says this? Perhaps this clip will help us to understand.
Bevere appears here to mishandle Luke 19:10, wherein Jesus says, “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.” This verse concludes the story of the conversion of Zacchaeus, and in the broader context, it is evident that Jesus Christ is declaring not only what becomes the theme of Luke’s gospel, but what is the purpose of Christ’s incarnation and ministry: to save lost sinners. Of this verse, Dr. John MacArthur notes:Verse 10 states THE most blessed truth, no truth more wondrous, more beneficial than this one. This is at the very heart of the existence of the universe. God actually created the universe so that in the universe He could create the Earth so that on the earth He could create the human race so that out of the human race He could seek and save lost sinners…this for His own everlasting joy and glory. This is what it’s all about. What’s going on on Earth is not incidental in the infinity of this universe, it is the focal point of this entire universe. It is true that the vast and infinite heavens declare the glory of God and the rest of the creation shows His handiwork, and that all together collectively it manifests His mighty power and Godhead.
So when you ask the question, “Why is the universe here? And why is the Earth here? And why is the human race here?” The answer is so that God might for His own eternal joy and glory seek and save lost sinners. This again reminds us that God is by nature a saving God.
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Later in this same sermon, Bevere claims to receive a message directly from the Holy Spirit. Divine, personal prophecy? It seems as though Lisa Bevere’s Bible may not end with Revelation 22:21.
We’ve not heard what Bevere specifically taught this week in Thessaloniki, but according to Christine Caine, the perky speaker spoke “powerful & prophetic words into this region.”
Source Prophetic words? Divine, extrabiblical revelation? We can only wonder.
We ask then, exactly what type of teaching was shared this past week at Be the Change? We can only surmise, but according to speaker Beth Moore, the conference was a genuine “move of God.”
Source Apparently, at the conclusion of this event, many women streamed to the front of the auditorium to “receive Jesus.”
Source It actually grieves us to realize that the question must be asked: which Jesus did they receive?
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